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Solaire Auction = Sweet Deals? Not so fast…

Solaire Auction Results

So the verdict is in for all of those folks that wanted to know what happened at March 1st’s auction for Solaire condos. Before we begin, here are some of the facts:

  • Appx 150 people registered and were in attendance for this event
  • Auction lasted about an hour and a half
  • 1br units started at 170K and 2br units started at 250K
  • 42 units were available for sale(what was advertised)
  • 30 units total sold
  • No spectacular, once in a lifetime deals emerged(surprise surprise)

I was not able to attend this auction but have done quite a bit of reading up on the subject. Basically, I think this event shows that we’re feeling a false bottom in the downtown Orlando Condo market. The interest of living a metro-urban lifestyle is there but

the pockets of those who desire to are about as deep as a mid-summer afternoon rain shower puddle in Florida.

I would like to go back to one of my original thoughts on the market as a whole, which was the fact that the surrounding economic infrastructure of Orlando doesn’t pose the best fertilizer for a growing residential presence in the downtown district. The median household income is somewhere around 45K in central Florida which puts most people into the 130K-170K range as far as a comfortable 30 yr termed mortgage payment is concerned. For these condos, you have to factor in a hefty $300+ HOA fees a month extra for a 1br! The only people that can really rationalize living in a 1br condo downtown are younger, single/engaged, business professionals with zero(0) kids. If you had more than yourself or your significant other living there, you would totally be pressed for space in a 850 sq/ft pad in the sky. With that being said, how many young professionals do you know that make at least 60K per year, that have no kids, could afford to make an extremely high HOA fee payment on top of their mortgage, and prefer to live in a small downtown condo instead of in a much larger house in Waterford Lakes or Avalon?….I can’t think of a single person.

To me it’s like putting a solar panel in an area where there is little or no sun. It just doesn’t make sense to build these lavish condo’s that no one in the right demographic can attain. Many people would love to live there, but not many could afford to stay. The condo market here in Orlando was doomed from the start when developers imagined making multiplied margins on a fad that worked in much more thriving core economic environments(Las Vegas, Chicago, LA…etc.). I think this is a prime example of why following trends doesn’t always provide the best results in real estate. At least in Vegas you can walk down out of your 125K condo and hit a couple of casinos or even Circus Circus before you call it a night. In Chicago, you could walk out of your 145K condo right onto Michigan Ave and catch the EL-train over to Grant Park or the Broadway theater….What do we have to look forward to in Orlando? Walking out of our overpriced 260K 1br shoebox across the street to eat a 5 dollar slice of pizza and drink a 4 dollar beer at one of the played out bars? Not a very good bargain to me.

Anywho, enough rambling for now. I am very anxious to see when April 1st hits and those that bid at Saturdays auction have to close or they lose their deposits. I wonder what the gross number of units will be that actually close in such a short timeframe(30 days). Will they appraise for the amount bidded for? I wouldn’t be surprised if the figure gets to somewhere around 12-15 out of the 30 units.

The prices are just too high and the developer really needs to realize that the entire plaza will suffer(on the commercial side) if they don’t fill the residential units. Real Estate is a very cyclical market and the buyer has a leg up on the developers right now. Lower the price of these condos and also get the HOA fees to an affordable amount and minimize your losses now. Long term, the commercial side(shops, restaurants, the theater) will help recoup the money lost in 07 and 08. Also in the long run, the developer will come out “OK” but that won’t happen if they continue on the road of denial thinking the condo’s are worth zillions of dollars…they are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

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  1. Marcus Burke Said,

    Nice analysis Steve. I do think it’s possible that most will close though, simply because (and perhaps only because) each of the buyers is an end user and was qualified before hand and knows exactly what they’re getting into. These are all folk that always wanted to live at that building but just couldn’t (or didn’t want to) afford the cost. And while I agree that there is a shortage of young yuppies with high income in Orlando (certainly not enough to fill all those condos) I do think that there are at least thirty.

  2. Laurie Said,

    Do you doomsayers ever have something nice to say? It seems you want to turn lemanade into lemons. The Solaire auction was a success. Please don’t try to spin it your way.
    Yes, real estate in metro orlando is feeling the pain of an overinflated market. That said, the downtown condo market will be a viable lifestyle option in the years to come. Why don’t you go pick on Baldwin Park they are feeling to same pain we are downtown(I live in the Vue)
    I will say it again, Generation Y will save the downtown Condo market. Their incomes are rising at unpresidented rates and they love downtown orlando. Just look at these 20 somethings can you picture them in the burbs of waterford lakes or winter springs? Please stop saying everyone is just too poor in poor old orlando. Yes the median income is 45K in a metro area of 2 million people.
    There are plenty of techies and lawyers that make double or triple that figure. I have a old brick and mortar company and make six times that figure. So stop saying there is no money in Orlando. UCF graduates over 1000 students a year and most of them stay here, the good old boy(and girl) networks of the Univ of Florida is alive and well in metro orlando.
    I don’t want to ramble on but you guys need to stop feeding the fire of fear. Or find another city to live in and pick on. Orlando is very resilent community financially and except for the crime wave affecting our entire country, it is a wonderful place to live.

  3. admin Said,

    Laurie, Thanks for your time and opinions on the topic. We welcome every and all comments on this site!

    Thank you,

    Admin

  4. Jorge Cassani Said,

    Laurie, were you the auction organizer? :)

  5. Steve B. Said,

    I think I have a right to my opinion just as you do yours so RELAX Laurie…it’s really not that serious!

  6. Sean Said,

    Steve,

    You are right on the money. Laurie also has good points, but the fact is right now there is way more supply downtown then there is demand. Maybe in 5-10 years if our economy is growing and Orlando is seeing real growth (the kind of growth we need, not low income growth) these condos will pan out and become real money makers. I’m personally waiting till they really hit bottom to pick a few units up.

  7. Linda Z. Said,

    I think Steve is just getting at the picture of the condo real estate market as it stands “right now” and I think he’s right. Sure, things in 20 yrs will be much different…as with anything in life in any industry in any circumstance

  8. Scott Said,

    I think Laurie is missing the point (or reaffirming Steve’s point). I’m a 24 year old recent UCF grad. My absolute DREAM is to live somewhere like the Solaire, but there is absolutely no way I’ll be able to afford it unless prices come down. No, I don’t want to live out near Waterford Lakes, but I do because I’m not making triple the income of the average 20-something. I’m pretty sure there are not enough lawyers and techies making millions that are willing to drop $400k on a dinky little loft. Thus, the hundreds of condos popping up will sit empty.
    The entire point of this article is that, yes, there’s a lot of housing downtown, yes, there are a lot of graduates in the area, but prices are just too high to justify living in a shoebox and still having to own a car to get to any entertainment.

  9. Laurie Said,

    I am glad my first ever comment has caused this much interest.

    I think scott is missing my point and also reaffirming it. He says living in a downtown condo is his “absolute DREAM” but can’t afford it until the prices come down. What about his income going up? That would also allow him to buy. He does go on to complain about the size of the units, so maybe his dream is really a “penthouse at the solaire”
    All I ever meant to say is there is a demand for the residential products being offered downtown and that market forces will dictate the prices going foward. I have made a choice to move from the suburbs and live downtown and love it. I hope more people see living downtown as a viable option.

  10. JT Said,

    REALITY TO STEVE…..Are you there? The $130K – $170K price range? What year do you believe it is, exactly? History books tell me that it was around the year 1987 when I could purchase a 4 bedroom/living/family/dining/2 car gargage home at those price levels. Your article implies that the 20-something crowd is opting for the $147K home in Waterford lakes. Not only do you have to multiply that number by 3 for entry level home pricing, someone who would qualify for a $130K mortgage in the year 2008 has no business owning a home, not to mention a downtown condo. I purchased 2/2 unit at the Paramount on Lake Eola. I paid $350K. A modest price compared to most homes for sale. Not only is that a fair price, dont forget – no kids, no yards, no empty rooms that would never be used in my oversized home, secured parking plus 24 hour security. And remember you won’t have to spend every weekend fixing things that break, leak or just stop working. I know from experience those expenses will cost much more than a monthly condo fee. And don’t forget about time. How much is your time worth? Trust me everyone, the sun is shining, the water’s warm – come on down(town)!!

  11. Chris Said,

    I am an underwriter of construction projects for purposes of obtaining unsecured bond credit by such contractors wishing to build anything from condos to schools.

    I am in the market for a condo downtown Orlando and can more than afford to pay the asking prices, but will not do so because I know that the prices will continue to decline through 2008. I can tell you for certain that Steve is correct in his statement that such developments must get their inventory sold or the associations will be forced to assess the existing residents for the money needed to fund reserves.

    The Metropolitan at Lake Eola is an example of worst case scenario for these new developments if they are unable to get the inventory turned over. Massive repairs minus enough residents paying HOA equals disaster.

    I can assure all of you that $315,000.00 for a 2 bedroom 2 bath condo in the Solaire at the Plaza is out of reach of your typical college graduate for at least his first five years with few exceptions (doctors, lawyers, engineers). Additionally, the condo fee of $530.00 per month is not conducive to attracting young buyers. Your mortgage payment, plus taxes, insurance, and HOA would be close to $2,500.00. Now, tack on utilities and you’re up to $2,800.00.

    By my mathematics, you’re going to need a salary of roughly $80,000.00 a year to comfortably afford that payment. While I am fortunate enough to pay it – I wont – because by next year, the price of the condo will be $250,000.00 and HOA will be $400.00. 55 West already took measures to marginalize their losses by adding commercial space and a hotel – which eliminates over 60% of their residential space.

    My 2 cents.

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